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		<title>Comment on General Comments by Elizabeth MANN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth MANN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As published in The Journal 15 Dec 2008


Proliferation of wind farms viable only with subsidy from consumers


Much has been reported by Government regarding climate change and how to combat it. May I therefore draw readers' attention to what I term the 'might or could scenario'?
 There are two sides to the anthropogenic global warming debate. One involves Al Gore’s film  "An Inconvenient Truth‟ which the High Court has ruled  must be presented with counterbalance in schools to prevent it being seen as political indoctrination 
  The other concerns the Channel 4 documentary, the Great Global Warming Swindle, which has been seriously criticised but not legally discredited
 
  The County Durham Climate Change Action Plan appears to  subscribe to Gore's  reasoning. It is based on evidence from the  Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which attributes most of the warming over the last 50 years to human activity. The design and printing of the plan has had funding from Npower
 
 However, may I, suggest that the 'what actually is scenario' is the real, inconvenient truth behind the global warming issue?

  As a result of the renewable obligation subsidy (ROC) a gold rush has been created as the Government struggles to meet renewable energy targets. This has brought a proliferation of wind ‘farm proposals that are viable only with the subsidy, Who pays for it? We do as consumers 
 Wind farms ‘operating’ in the N East have underperformed for years, yet we still have proposal after proposal .Currently: there are 10 at Moorhouse, (ROC potential £62.5 million), 11 at East/West Newbiggin, (ROC potential £68.7million), 10 at Great Stainton, (ROC potential £62.5 million),10 at Red Gapp,( ROC potential £62.5 million), 3 at Shotton Beck,(ROC potential £18.75 million) and10 at Butterwick,(ROC potential £62.5 million)
 
The reduction of CO2 emissions and other pollutants now seem lost in the race for regional targets, mainly onshore wind. A real catch 22 as until wind turbines were operational we could not prove whether wind turbines would reduce CO2 emissions as expected. They are certainly not doing so in the North East.
 
 
Elizabeth Mann 
Chair Durham Branch CPRE
 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As published in The Journal 15 Dec 2008</p>
<p>Proliferation of wind farms viable only with subsidy from consumers</p>
<p>Much has been reported by Government regarding climate change and how to combat it. May I therefore draw readers&#8217; attention to what I term the &#8216;might or could scenario&#8217;?<br />
 There are two sides to the anthropogenic global warming debate. One involves Al Gore’s film  &#8220;An Inconvenient Truth‟ which the High Court has ruled  must be presented with counterbalance in schools to prevent it being seen as political indoctrination<br />
  The other concerns the Channel 4 documentary, the Great Global Warming Swindle, which has been seriously criticised but not legally discredited</p>
<p>  The County Durham Climate Change Action Plan appears to  subscribe to Gore&#8217;s  reasoning. It is based on evidence from the  Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which attributes most of the warming over the last 50 years to human activity. The design and printing of the plan has had funding from Npower</p>
<p> However, may I, suggest that the &#8216;what actually is scenario&#8217; is the real, inconvenient truth behind the global warming issue?</p>
<p>  As a result of the renewable obligation subsidy (ROC) a gold rush has been created as the Government struggles to meet renewable energy targets. This has brought a proliferation of wind ‘farm proposals that are viable only with the subsidy, Who pays for it? We do as consumers<br />
 Wind farms ‘operating’ in the N East have underperformed for years, yet we still have proposal after proposal .Currently: there are 10 at Moorhouse, (ROC potential £62.5 million), 11 at East/West Newbiggin, (ROC potential £68.7million), 10 at Great Stainton, (ROC potential £62.5 million),10 at Red Gapp,( ROC potential £62.5 million), 3 at Shotton Beck,(ROC potential £18.75 million) and10 at Butterwick,(ROC potential £62.5 million)</p>
<p>The reduction of CO2 emissions and other pollutants now seem lost in the race for regional targets, mainly onshore wind. A real catch 22 as until wind turbines were operational we could not prove whether wind turbines would reduce CO2 emissions as expected. They are certainly not doing so in the North East.</p>
<p>Elizabeth Mann<br />
Chair Durham Branch CPRE</p>
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		<title>Comment on Download our PowerPoint by Elizabeth MANN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth MANN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Comparison of Scale by Elizabeth MANN</title>
		<link>http://www.saynotoharrington.com/2008/09/comparison-of-scale/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth MANN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I offer this article which has been published as a 'comment' in the transcript of the Uk Renewable Energy Strategy, Westminster Energy Environment and Transport Forum Nov 26th 
I cannot copy the transcript as I would llke to as it has a password reserved for attendees 

Comment
Campaign to Protect Rural England, Durham Branch
Our main concern has been the progressive weakening of the planning system with the ‘fashionable’ idea that there are no dis benefits from wind energy. The UK protocol for wind and the BERR guidance for onshore wind seemed to "appear" with no prior warning Planning has become draconian. The IPC currently appears undemocratic but we hope it will eventually prove fair, and truly independent of Government and industry interests.
 Resurrecting HOC Committee of Public Accounts report is essential
2005, The House of Commons Committee of Public Accounts (CPA) reported that: "The Renewables Obligation is currently at least four times more expensive than the other means of reducing carbon dioxide currently used in the United Kingdom..." and "By 2010, the cost of the Renewables Obligation, which does not appear on electricity bills and is not explained to consumers, is expected to reach £1 billion per annum".  Additionally, the CPA drew attention to the lack of democracy in the RO arrangement stating the Department [DTI] had not consulted consumers or their representative groups, about their willingness to contribute to the cost of renewable energy".
In setting its 2010 target, the Government stated that the cost of renewable energy should be acceptable to consumers and in  2003, the DTI's Energy White Paper, EWP said:... The cost of a Renewables Obligation for England and Wales introduced in April 2002 is met through higher prices to consumers ".
2008 June, E.ON’s new energy manifesto, warned the UK would require 50GW of renewable energy to meet the EU target, (20%  from renewable sources by 2020) but that would require up to 45GW of backup capacity from coal and gas-fired plants to ensure energy supply when renewable energy supplies are not available.
The EWP stated that benefits of wind power and emissions saved are a material planning consideration. Comment (If emissions saved and electricity generated are to be as claimed the LF needs to be about 30% ) 
 HL Paper126 at 3.1  Hugh Sharman an independent energy consultant working in Denmark cast doubt on this 30% UK load factor “Danish turbines had operated at a load factor of only 21%. If this happened in the UK, half as many turbines again would be needed to deliver the same target output. Potential investors would face dramatic reductions in their income from wind farms”
Advertising Standards Agency ASA found that BWEA member company npower had breached its rules by using a figure of 860 g/kWh for CO2 displacement for its proposed new Batsworthy Cross wind farm 
An agreed figure by ASA with BWEA was to be available early 2008 
 A letter from the Energy Minister stated there were no problems in the North East yet the following figures show the reality:
Load factors as % (compiled by E Mann monthly, over six years, from official figures on Ofgem website)

Wind power station 	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007
________________________________________
Blyth Harbour Wall	12	11.6	13.2	10.5	9.57
Great Eppleton	11.2	15	zero	zero	zero
Kirkheaton	25.3	26.8	23.2	27.6	25.74
Tow Law	26.2	31.7	30.8	28.6	21.64
High Hedley Hope	27.4	32.2	33.8	28.6	31.89
GlaxoSmithKline	—	—	8.9	8.2	10.07
*Holmside	—	—	19.1	14.2	16.7
*Holmside nffo	—	—	19.8	16.2	22.03
*Hare Hill	—	—	14.6	16.2	21.94
*Hare Hill nffo	—	—	18.3	21.1	18.29
*High Volts	—	15.7	18.4	15.5	21.38
*High Volts nffo	—	30.1	20.1	6.6	21.74
Blyth offshore WTG 1	16.2	26.5	8.8	2.1	zero
Blyth offshore WTG 2 (LF zero 2002)	zero	zero	zero	zero	zero
*. DTI case Studies ‘Its Only Natural Campaign’
 Claimed as the most modern technology 

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The information on this private site and the 3 books there for free download may help you by providing some facts regarding the methodology used to promote renewables www.wind-farm.co.uk

CPRE is skeptic not anti wind but look at the right devlopment in the right location. My personal favourite is 'Solar panels on KMilimanjaro'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I offer this article which has been published as a &#8216;comment&#8217; in the transcript of the Uk Renewable Energy Strategy, Westminster Energy Environment and Transport Forum Nov 26th<br />
I cannot copy the transcript as I would llke to as it has a password reserved for attendees </p>
<p>Comment<br />
Campaign to Protect Rural England, Durham Branch<br />
Our main concern has been the progressive weakening of the planning system with the ‘fashionable’ idea that there are no dis benefits from wind energy. The UK protocol for wind and the BERR guidance for onshore wind seemed to &#8220;appear&#8221; with no prior warning Planning has become draconian. The IPC currently appears undemocratic but we hope it will eventually prove fair, and truly independent of Government and industry interests.<br />
 Resurrecting HOC Committee of Public Accounts report is essential<br />
2005, The House of Commons Committee of Public Accounts (CPA) reported that: &#8220;The Renewables Obligation is currently at least four times more expensive than the other means of reducing carbon dioxide currently used in the United Kingdom&#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;By 2010, the cost of the Renewables Obligation, which does not appear on electricity bills and is not explained to consumers, is expected to reach £1 billion per annum&#8221;.  Additionally, the CPA drew attention to the lack of democracy in the RO arrangement stating the Department [DTI] had not consulted consumers or their representative groups, about their willingness to contribute to the cost of renewable energy&#8221;.<br />
In setting its 2010 target, the Government stated that the cost of renewable energy should be acceptable to consumers and in  2003, the DTI&#8217;s Energy White Paper, EWP said:&#8230; The cost of a Renewables Obligation for England and Wales introduced in April 2002 is met through higher prices to consumers &#8220;.<br />
2008 June, E.ON’s new energy manifesto, warned the UK would require 50GW of renewable energy to meet the EU target, (20%  from renewable sources by 2020) but that would require up to 45GW of backup capacity from coal and gas-fired plants to ensure energy supply when renewable energy supplies are not available.<br />
The EWP stated that benefits of wind power and emissions saved are a material planning consideration. Comment (If emissions saved and electricity generated are to be as claimed the LF needs to be about 30% )<br />
 HL Paper126 at 3.1  Hugh Sharman an independent energy consultant working in Denmark cast doubt on this 30% UK load factor “Danish turbines had operated at a load factor of only 21%. If this happened in the UK, half as many turbines again would be needed to deliver the same target output. Potential investors would face dramatic reductions in their income from wind farms”<br />
Advertising Standards Agency ASA found that BWEA member company npower had breached its rules by using a figure of 860 g/kWh for CO2 displacement for its proposed new Batsworthy Cross wind farm<br />
An agreed figure by ASA with BWEA was to be available early 2008<br />
 A letter from the Energy Minister stated there were no problems in the North East yet the following figures show the reality:<br />
Load factors as % (compiled by E Mann monthly, over six years, from official figures on Ofgem website)</p>
<p>Wind power station 	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007<br />
________________________________________<br />
Blyth Harbour Wall	12	11.6	13.2	10.5	9.57<br />
Great Eppleton	11.2	15	zero	zero	zero<br />
Kirkheaton	25.3	26.8	23.2	27.6	25.74<br />
Tow Law	26.2	31.7	30.8	28.6	21.64<br />
High Hedley Hope	27.4	32.2	33.8	28.6	31.89<br />
GlaxoSmithKline	—	—	8.9	8.2	10.07<br />
*Holmside	—	—	19.1	14.2	16.7<br />
*Holmside nffo	—	—	19.8	16.2	22.03<br />
*Hare Hill	—	—	14.6	16.2	21.94<br />
*Hare Hill nffo	—	—	18.3	21.1	18.29<br />
*High Volts	—	15.7	18.4	15.5	21.38<br />
*High Volts nffo	—	30.1	20.1	6.6	21.74<br />
Blyth offshore WTG 1	16.2	26.5	8.8	2.1	zero<br />
Blyth offshore WTG 2 (LF zero 2002)	zero	zero	zero	zero	zero<br />
*. DTI case Studies ‘Its Only Natural Campaign’<br />
 Claimed as the most modern technology </p>
<p>end of article</p>
<p>The information on this private site and the 3 books there for free download may help you by providing some facts regarding the methodology used to promote renewables <a href="http://www.wind-farm.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.wind-farm.co.uk</a></p>
<p>CPRE is skeptic not anti wind but look at the right devlopment in the right location. My personal favourite is &#8216;Solar panels on KMilimanjaro&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Comment on General Comments by Halina Tubbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halina Tubbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has recently been reported in The Telegraph that the CO2 emmission savings claimed by the BWEA (and NUON on their website re Harrington)are misleading and must be ammended after investigations from the Advertising Standards Authority. I suggest you contact Nuon and get them to annend their website or report them to the ASA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has recently been reported in The Telegraph that the CO2 emmission savings claimed by the BWEA (and NUON on their website re Harrington)are misleading and must be ammended after investigations from the Advertising Standards Authority. I suggest you contact Nuon and get them to annend their website or report them to the ASA</p>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth MANN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please visit www.wind-farm .co.uk and read the facts</description>
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		<title>Comment on Nuon presentation: Friday 14 and Saturday 15 November 2008 by J. Raughton</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Raughton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just read the proposal for Harrington, I do feel the majority of objections are just temporary. Would there be this much opposition if local roads need to be resurfaced and take 6 months to finish the job, there may be just as much disruption.  I have a view of a wind farm from my bedroom window and have had for well over a decade, (not at present as it is foggy). Its not a big deal, it is using the resources of the land for the future. Do you want future generations growing up with no or little sustainable energy supply because your view may be ruined, or the noise it may generate would be akin to being in a library.  This technology has been developed to be as sensitive to its surroundings as possible. If you do not use electricity for anything, I take it back, and you have every right to complain, but in the long run what is more harmful to you? not being able to live adequately or a little disruption now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just read the proposal for Harrington, I do feel the majority of objections are just temporary. Would there be this much opposition if local roads need to be resurfaced and take 6 months to finish the job, there may be just as much disruption.  I have a view of a wind farm from my bedroom window and have had for well over a decade, (not at present as it is foggy). Its not a big deal, it is using the resources of the land for the future. Do you want future generations growing up with no or little sustainable energy supply because your view may be ruined, or the noise it may generate would be akin to being in a library.  This technology has been developed to be as sensitive to its surroundings as possible. If you do not use electricity for anything, I take it back, and you have every right to complain, but in the long run what is more harmful to you? not being able to live adequately or a little disruption now?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth MANN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PLEASE VISIT WWW.WIND-FARM.CO.UK 
A decade of  weakening the planning system to accomodate wind turbines
Nothing but the truth</description>
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		<title>Comment on General Comments by Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard

I think the point in your second paragraph is addressed in a letter from Ronald W Clarke who is Chairman of the Harrington Aviation Museum Society.  He says:

"... the erection of these monsters would do nothing to preserve the integrity of this historic site.  We have a steady flow of American veterans and their decendents, who often comment on the tranquility of the memorial and old airfield site.  The problem is of course that once erected these inefficient monsters will dominate the surrounding countryside, and ruin the empathy of the place.

On behalf of our members and the hundreds of American airmen who perished whilst flying from Harrington, I would ask the planners responsible for decisions on siting these things, to respect the site, and ensure that the only sounds heard are the birds and sighing of the wind."

I accept fully your point about windmills, but these were generally singular structures in this country, with a height which rarely exceeded that of the local church tower.  I suspect the situation might have been very different had those residents been faced with windmills of the height and number currently being proposed.  It's also interesting to note that they were predominantly erected in the fens, an area known as New Holland, where wind would blow unimpeded from the sea across large tracts of flat land to drive the sails.  In the early 19th century there were around 1200 working windmills throughout England and Wales, when wind and water were used to power flour grinders.  By the 1920's there were only around 200 working mills throughout England, with, I believe, around 13 in the Northamptonshire area, mostly south of Moulton.  

I hail originally from Lincolnshire and know well the section of coastline that extends from the Humber to the Wash and beyond.  It is a desolate area of sand dunes that bord onto shoreline, reaching for miles when the tide is out and where the wind whips relentlessly from sea to land.  I can see no comparison between that landscape and the area around the old Harrington airfield, nor do I see much comparison between the handful of working windmills, generally sited alone on the top of hills, at the turn of the last century and the proposed wind turbines which number in excess of 100 along the A14.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard</p>
<p>I think the point in your second paragraph is addressed in a letter from Ronald W Clarke who is Chairman of the Harrington Aviation Museum Society.  He says:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; the erection of these monsters would do nothing to preserve the integrity of this historic site.  We have a steady flow of American veterans and their decendents, who often comment on the tranquility of the memorial and old airfield site.  The problem is of course that once erected these inefficient monsters will dominate the surrounding countryside, and ruin the empathy of the place.</p>
<p>On behalf of our members and the hundreds of American airmen who perished whilst flying from Harrington, I would ask the planners responsible for decisions on siting these things, to respect the site, and ensure that the only sounds heard are the birds and sighing of the wind.&#8221;</p>
<p>I accept fully your point about windmills, but these were generally singular structures in this country, with a height which rarely exceeded that of the local church tower.  I suspect the situation might have been very different had those residents been faced with windmills of the height and number currently being proposed.  It&#8217;s also interesting to note that they were predominantly erected in the fens, an area known as New Holland, where wind would blow unimpeded from the sea across large tracts of flat land to drive the sails.  In the early 19th century there were around 1200 working windmills throughout England and Wales, when wind and water were used to power flour grinders.  By the 1920&#8217;s there were only around 200 working mills throughout England, with, I believe, around 13 in the Northamptonshire area, mostly south of Moulton.  </p>
<p>I hail originally from Lincolnshire and know well the section of coastline that extends from the Humber to the Wash and beyond.  It is a desolate area of sand dunes that bord onto shoreline, reaching for miles when the tide is out and where the wind whips relentlessly from sea to land.  I can see no comparison between that landscape and the area around the old Harrington airfield, nor do I see much comparison between the handful of working windmills, generally sited alone on the top of hills, at the turn of the last century and the proposed wind turbines which number in excess of 100 along the A14.</p>
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		<title>Comment on General Comments by Richard Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone seems to be so negative about these windfarms, no-one objected to windmills all those years ago,did they? I would much rather see tranquil props turning than have a nuclear power station on the doorstep waiting for an accident to happen.

I travel the B576 twice a day to work from Desborough, what a fitting tribute to those brave souls who flew from Harrington in the war to have a load of real propellors turning as a memorial to them, why not make in into a feature for those men from Harrington. Surely they are not too bad.

I spend some time in Lincolnshire near skegness, they are rife in that area but everyone accepts them as a part of life, why cant we here.

Richard Morris  Desborough</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone seems to be so negative about these windfarms, no-one objected to windmills all those years ago,did they? I would much rather see tranquil props turning than have a nuclear power station on the doorstep waiting for an accident to happen.</p>
<p>I travel the B576 twice a day to work from Desborough, what a fitting tribute to those brave souls who flew from Harrington in the war to have a load of real propellors turning as a memorial to them, why not make in into a feature for those men from Harrington. Surely they are not too bad.</p>
<p>I spend some time in Lincolnshire near skegness, they are rife in that area but everyone accepts them as a part of life, why cant we here.</p>
<p>Richard Morris  Desborough</p>
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